Jump to navigation
| Wednesday, February 01, 2006 | |
Is the latest buzz, Butterfly Marketing, a scam? Absolutely not! But!!!!!!
If you think you're going to make money by getting in on this $997.00 deal and reselling it, you're nuts! First of all, there's only 1500 packages being sold and over 500 were sold on the first day, so your ability to capitalize on the opportunity is severely limited out of the gate. Mile Filsaime says he's spent the last 18 months putting together this product. A significant amount of this time was probably used to line up his joint venture team. Let's see... I've received invitations to buy this package from Coya Moda, Gary Ambrose, Jeremy Gislason, Michail Rasmussen, Rob Taylor, Nick Temple and Mike Fislaime himself. These guys have created special incentive packages to get you to buy Butterfly Marketing from them, so, unless you were part of the inner circle and were pre-prepared for this launch, the odds are not in your favor. Does this mean you shouldn't buy it?
If you think this program is going to be the magic bullet that's going to cure your inability to make money on the Internet, then absolutely not. I haven't bought it and do not plan too. Not because it is not a good product; I don't know because I'm not in the inner circle that had the chance to preview it. I simply have better things to spend $997 on. If you do get it, be prepared to spend many hours, if not weeks, going over the material. This looks like it's going to be a college course, Master's level, on Internet Marketing. Also, you should be prepared to wait for it's delivery. Mike says on the site, "I have only produced 200 of the 1500 for the initial run"; they're gone already. Next, if you don't have your own product or have any plans to develop your own product, then don't waste the money. Mike also says at the very beginning of the site "97% of marketers making over $10,000 per month online have their own products, membership sites, or both! Having your own product is called "ME" Marketing! Yes "Me" marketing. You have to be the "Me". You have to have your own products, and your own sites. You need to be the person selling the dream."
If you think you're going to buy some private label rights ebooks or software and package it as your own, then you've bought into the hype of making money on the Internet. All you accomplish by doing this is to join the masses. I've bought many of these products, but not to sell on their own merits. I get them to give away as freebies to Quikonnex members or bundle with our products. To give you an example, I have the rights to sell the Instant Split Commissions software. The prepackaged marketing site that comes with it hypes that it sells for $197.00. Google it, and you'll see the top listing selling it for $3.00 for the basic package or $19.95 for full Branding and Resell Rights. This was part of the SourceCodeGold package that was launched just a few weeks ago. It's already diluted. NOTE: This software is worth a lot more than $3.00, but if it's being sold for this, then it might as well be given away.
I certainly hope that the 500+ purchasers have a product ready or in development and are already making good money in either their job or online. Do you really think Mike created his wealth from nothing? He says on his site that he was making $180,000/ year before he started selling anything on the Internet. The man is a trained professional salesman and had capital to invest. Are you trained and do you have the money to invest to make money? If you don't have the $997 available as expendable change, then save it.
I'm apologize if I'm hurting your feelings or have burst your bubble, but someone needs to wake you up. That's all from me for now, I need to get back to working on Q's products. But stay tuned, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Comments
Wow,
Internet marketing is just that - Marketing. I expect these guys to sell stuff, that's how they make money and that's what works.
i've spent 3 years learning from a lot of these 'sales' guys. The only HYPE in the business is the belief that all these customers seem to have that it should be EZ and done for them. That's just not how it works.
It takes hard work to create a product with merit. It's true that most people buy this stuff based on laziness and greed, but really making a business takes work.
I have gotten a TON of value from Mike's stuff. But then again I have an actual business, an actual product and an actual thing of value to deliver to the marketplace.
The truth is that not everyone is cut out for this. And that's OK, but it sure isn't the fault of people who sell stuff online.
Every one of us is responsible to find what works for US and to find the tool we need when we need it. It's nobody else's job! I ONLY buy something when my business calls for it. That is the real way to make money online. Mike's stuff has worked for me.
J
TheGoldenPathBook.com
A word of advice from someone who is enjoying more and more success in internet marketing. Get all the free stuff you can get from these gurus, and start making a list of the tidbits of marketing principles they teach. If I don't make a list, I forget all the good ideas I learned before I have a chance to use them. If you don't believe me, just try making your own list of marketing ideas for a few weeks. It's amazing what you learn and forget.
Most advice is practical, common sense ideas. Most people just never take the time to apply the things they learn. People who spend lots of money on something will usually feel obligated to try at least some of the ideas.
Most of the freebies, such as videos and ebooks spend many words just offering one idea that could have been stated in 2 sentences. The rest is hype.
The Butterfly Marketing Manuscript is not a Scam in my eyes. At least it is written by someone who knows online marketing, and the fact that all those big names in the industry recommend this product proofs that.
<a href=" http://www.butterflymarketi... Butterfly Marketing Manuscript</A>
The Butterfly Marketing Manuscript is a must read. You will actually learn from someone who is making huge money online.
So he`S got to know something about successful marketing and he`s showing that in the manuscript.
And You might not make a big deal of money reselling this product, but You can apply the techniques to any other of your online ventures.
Yup, they cancled my account too. I foolishly signed up for the 'MyViralAds.com' program and by running their ads on my websites racked up over 90,000 'points' in 30 days. I was supposed to get one of my ads displayed for every ten 'points' I earned. I got less than 400 when I should have received over 9000.
They only gave me lip service, often coming up with lame excuses like 'I was on my first vacation in eleven years' or 'The programmers in Romaina are looking at it' - for a month? - or 'You aren't getting your ads because of FireFox not showing them properly. (Only about 5% of my visitors use FireFox.)
The only way to get their attention is to threaten to report them for false advertisiong. Mike promptly had my account canceled.
Yup, say anything even slightly negative about them or their program, or even question why something doesn't work properly, and they immediately quash your comment. If only they responded to the actual problem as fast they might actually be worthwhile.
What can I say, the package is good but seriously, how many people are willing to part with nearly $1000 just for some informational product. To me, it would be wiser to break these up into little chunks.
I only have this to say -- Folks like Mike , Craig, and the Group that hangs together are bright folks who have ideas and who are not afraid to promote them. I have done business with them and while I do not agree with some of their techniques and wont promote them, they at least have the moxy to author and promote. Mike was not born with a silver spoon neither was Craig.
Super sales persons are not born they learn their craft through dedication and hard work.
Perhaps Mikes Product is or is not for you and perhaps it had a bug.
If you did not like it did you get your money back?
So were you hurt?
All you have to do is create an idea and market it.
Take the time to learn your craft as well as they and you also can make the money they do.
Having created a program or two -- I must say that a bug and or a typo is not unheard of -- I know from personal experience with Mike and "the crowd" that a polite letter - even if a bit negative is always answered -- at least the ones I sent.
Hope I did not rain on any parade ---
I was a member of Butterfly Marketing. I agree that you should have a product to work the program, but the program would work wonderfully. I sent the program back because I never had the time to work it. I dealt with Tom Beal and have nothing but the upmost respect for him. They worked through a paypal problem and my refund was given without fail. They are great folks to work with.
Does this Butterfly Marketing sound familiar or is it just me????
This guy sounds likea graduate of the Mark Joyner Farewell Tour School of Marketing!! We ALL know what a piece of work THAT was!!! LOL!!!
And fron buyerbeware's post, these people learned customer relations from Microsoft!!! ROFLMAO!!!
One of these days those 500+ people who bought into this will learn that selling tools to people in the tool business is BAD business!!!
A final aside: I would take that spiel about selling only 1500 memberships as what it probably is - a marketing - in the most negative sense of the word - ploy. In other words, a lot of cow chips. From the track record of others saying the same thing, I think this would be the prudent approach.
Caveat emptor!
Peace!
John Botscharow
I'm always looking for great JV's, not exactly the biggest ... but I'm more interested in quality over quantity.
I won't comment on BM directly at this time - it's not for everyone.
And, private label stuff does get deluted.
Check out:
http://www.theinternetwatch...
For an alternative
Hi!
As a Butterfly Marketing Package (BMP) owner, I'd like to share with you the items of value I have found since buying the BMP:
1) Community forum for BMP owners (value = priceless)
NOTE: This is a very wise move on Mike's part because having this forum gives Mike and his team a place to show customers just how dedicated to our success they are. The ongoing support and communication Mike continues to show gives BMP owners much peace of mind in knowing we are being very well looked after even when Mike flies all over the World as an invited speaker.
2) Unadvertised bonuses (value = $1,000+)
NOTE: There are too many, I simply don't have time to discuss all of them. They're basically most of Mikes other products and Diamond Memberships for his other services and saying their TRUE value exceeds BMP's cover price is an understatement.
2) The Butterfly Maual, CD's and DVD's (value = zero if no action is taken on the knowledge within)
NOTE: The manual had spelling/grammar mistakes but if you look beyond those to the actual content you will find MANY nuggets of information which can help ANY web site increase it's performance. It was an enjoyable read and can be easily read in one evening (depending on your reading ability it would only take about 2 or 3 hours to read).
3) Butterfly Marketing Software (value = $997)
NOTE: Has to be seen to be believed. Imagine some software which has the ability to turn almost any idea you have for a web site into a reality within days (not weeks or months!) True value for this software is priceless in the right hands and Mike is doing absolutely everything possible to see BMP owners all have "the right hands".
In passing, I suggest you refrain from listening to any *unqualified* reviews/advice.
Please don't take offence to this next comment for I mean this in general terms; Crowds behave like herds. You have heard people are like sheep (lol, sometimes I call us "Sheeple") and when a discussion thread starts out bad, people start to jump on the bandwagon.
Even people who like you may in fact post against you just to be a part of the crowd... Yes I know, it's sad but true!
Hope you found my information helpful. I only wanted to add a little more balance to this discussion....... pauli
Buyers beware . . .
I'll summarize my miserable experience with Butterfly Marketing with this note from VP of Operations, Tom Beal.
This after sending a note directly to Tom expressing my disatisfaction the course was delivered weeks late and the software still doesn't work - six weeks after launch.
From: tombeal
To:
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: Are you kidding? Quote message
You never answered my last question?
Are you on the team or do you desire a refund?
I just deleted another negative post by you and am ready to delete you from the entire BM program.
To answer your question about Mike getting his ass kicked in the Marine Corps... [Note I didn't know Mike was in the Marines, or military ever for that matter . . .???]
NO..you would have gotten yours kicked.
Are we clear?
Tom
-----
Tom then proceeded to delete my account and refund my money - after attempting to call me at home.
"My Negative Post"
It's quite peculiar that I don't recall the word "beta"
anywhere in any sales letter I read. Of course, I was
probably looking at the half-empty glass next to that
pile of affiliate checks on my desk.
[END POST]
====================================
This group could care less that their product still isn't working 6 weeks after launch and anyone that says anything other than "You guys are great!", is isolated and labeled.
The product is mediocre, at best (not talking about the software - which looks great but doesn't work), the communication is the worst I have EVER seen and the attitude towards customers is simply "If you don't like it, get the F-out."
Well, I'm out.
Buyers beware . . .
I'll summarize my miserable experience with Butterfly Marketing with this note from VP of Operations, Tom Beal.
This after sending a note directly to Tom expressing my disatisfaction the course was delivered weeks late and the software still doesn't work - six weeks after launch.
From: tombeal
To:
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: Are you kidding? Quote message
You never answered my last question?
Are you on the team or do you desire a refund?
I just deleted another negative post by you and am ready to delete you from the entire BM program.
To answer your question about Mike getting his ass kicked in the Marine Corps... [Note I didn't know Mike was in the Marines, or military ever for that matter . . .???]
NO..you would have gotten yours kicked.
Are we clear?
Tom
-----
Tom then proceeded to delete my account and refund my money - after attempting to call me at home.
"My Negative Post"
It's quite peculiar that I don't recall the word "beta"
anywhere in any sales letter I read. Of course, I was
probably looking at the half-empty glass next to that
pile of affiliate checks on my desk.
[END POST]
====================================
This group could care less that their product still isn't working 6 weeks after launch and anyone that says anything other than "You guys are great!", is isolated and labeled.
The product is mediocre, at best (not talking about the software - which looks great but doesn't work), the communication is the worst I have EVER seen and the attitude towards customers is simply "If you don't like it, get the F-out."
Well, I'm out.
Couldn't agree more with every word of your review. I ran into the same thoughts myself when looking over it. It's right for the right person but it's not the holy grail that so many pushing it are trying to hold it out as
It's just GREAT to hear the TRUTH now and then. As a guy with no money to invest in these "hyped up" programs, it's good to have someone "clarify" the situation. Keep up with the TRUTH!
Godbless, (theateam)
Thanx for the straight heads up Jim. We can always count on you for that. While Butterfly Marketing may be a good course, I do believe it is geared for those with a product and even more so for those who have the experience behind their belts.
I'll be referring to your article/review in the next issue of KIT.
I agree with you 100% Jim! I do not believe anyone who claims they've made a fortune on the Internet without having invested a nice sized chunk of change.
All these 'gurus' had money to play with, money to payout to programmers to create products, and money to advertise with. If any of them say differently, they are lying.
(I recently wrote an article that hits on who really profits from affiliate programs.)
These gurus are not bad people. What are they? Expert salesmen, and nothing more.
If you're interested in the article I just published, along these lines, pop over to the Trii-Zine.
All of the people who are making the big bucks online, the ones who do these JVs for high dollar products (I won't name names) are part of a private, mutual admiration society. They make money promoting each other's stuff. What is the likelihood that they'd even take a look at anything the average person, who bought into all their crap, created to sell? I'll tell ya... Zilch!
If the average person went to any of those guys with a new product, asking for a review and/or a JV opportunity, Joe Average would get this for a response:
I am not taking on any new joint ventures at this time. OR I'll have a look when I get time. They never have time for anything that hasn't been produced by one of their own.
These guys go on cruises together, and live it up on the money they make off Joe Average, but would they ever buy one of your products? Not likely.
Do I sound a little bitter? Probably. I have been Joe Average, with a product that none of the big shots would give the time of day to.
Thanx for the article and the vent Jim!
Trii
Ye speaketh with straight tongue my friend.
Thank you Jim, I'm happy to hear that I would be tilting at windmills if I bought into those schemes. It is a time when I can say I'm glad I don't have the money to opt into them.
I joined one free opportunity a couple of years ago with Mike Filsaime but I never could convince myself to upgrade. I also receive emails from him but I very seldom read them. I need to do some housekeeping in my email.
Patricia Downing
patriciadowning.com
Took the words right out of my mouth Jim.......kudos to you for cutting right to the chase with this.
Rob Gehring
10khits4unow.com
Way to go Jim... It's about time someone told it like it really is. People spend their money on products like these believing that if it cost that much, it must be worth it. Nothing works as well as hard work. The peoblem with most people is that they don't want to work... let alone work hard.
Add Comments
|
Internet marketing is just that - Marketing. I expect these guys to sell stuff, that's how they make money and that's what works.
i've spent 3 years learning from a lot of these 'sales' guys. The only HYPE in the business is the belief that all these customers seem to have that it should be EZ and done for them. That's just not how it works.
It takes hard work to create a product with merit. It's true that most people buy this stuff based on laziness and greed, but really making a business takes work.
I have gotten a TON of value from Mike's stuff. But then again I have an actual business, an actual product and an actual thing of value to deliver to the marketplace.
The truth is that not everyone is cut out for this. And that's OK, but it sure isn't the fault of people who sell stuff online.
Every one of us is responsible to find what works for US and to find the tool we need when we need it. It's nobody else's job! I ONLY buy something when my business calls for it. That is the real way to make money online. Mike's stuff has worked for me.
J
TheGoldenPathBook.com